#107 | SimFBA | Out of Position Penalties... and more!

[Sarge]

Hey Coaches! This has been one of my side projects I was charged with by the Dev Team and one I'm personally proud of. Some back story as to the why before we dive into it:

I think I've been one of the more vocal 'complainers', if you will, about how linear the draft feels. With Tuscan recently adding a 'fuzzy' to the draft overalls of players, this helps, but why not go a step further in adding depth to our draft journeys? This depth, will be created in tandem with new schemes as mentioned in the previous dev diary and now Out of Position (OOP) stuff. 

A lot of hand wringing will happen because people will see the word "malus" but I'd like people to focus on the bigger picture. Yes, a player will receive a malus but these maluses (mali??) will not all be created equal. i.e. - an OG playing at OT or vice versa will likely have the smallest malus applied to them in comparison to a CB playing FS or a LB moving down to play at DE. 

Below, you will see charts that have positions by archetype broken down into positions they can feed into and what archetype will be produced.

Yes, you read that correctly! After meeting the requirements outlined below, a player will gain the new position (and best transferable archetype) they're playing in and will LOSE any negatives or malus associated with playing Out of Position. Not only that, they'll get to keep their old position (and archetype) and play that position as well without malus.

Minimal 2-5% debuff (HFA equivalent?)			Moderate 10-20%?			Severe 40%?			40% Penalty + No new Position
QB (Balanced)	RB (Balanced)	WR (Possession)	TE (Receiving)
QB (Scrambler)	RB (Speed)	WR (Speed)	TE (Vertical Threat)
QB (Pocket)	RB (Power)	WR (Possession)	TE (Receiving)
QB (Field General)	RB (Balanced)	WR (Possession)	TE (Receiving)
RB (Balanced)	WR (Possession)	FB (Balanced)	TE (Blocking)
RB (Speed)	WR (Speed)	FB (Rushing)	TE
RB (Power)	WR (Possession)	FB (Balanced)	TE (Blocking)
RB (Receiving)	WR (Route Runner)	FB (Receiving)	TE (Vertical Threat)
FB (Blocking)	RB (Power)	WR (Possession)	TE (Blocking)	OT (Balanced)	OG (Balanced)
FB (Rushing)	RB (Balanced)	WR (Speed)	TE (Blocking)	OT	OG
FB (Balanced)	RB (Power)	WR (Possession)	TE (Blocking)	OT	OG
FB (Receiving)	RB (Receiving)	WR (Route Runner)	TE (Receiving)	OT	OG
TE (Receiving)	WR (Red Zone Threat)	FB (Receiving)	RB (Receiving)	OT	OG
TE (Vertical Threat)	WR (Route Runner)	FB (Receiving)	RB (Receiving)	OT	OG
TE (Blocking)	WR (Possession)	FB (Blocking)	RB (Power)	OT (Balanced)	OG (Balanced)
WR (Route Runner)	TE (Vertical Threat)	RB (Receiving)	FB (Receiving)
WR (Speed)	TE (Vertical Threat)	RB (Speed)	FB (Receiving)
WR (Red Zone Threat)	TE (Receiving)	RB (Balanced)	FB (Receiving)
WR (Possession)	TE (Receiving)	RB (Receiving)	FB (Receiving)
OG (Balanced)	OT (Balanced)	C (Line Captain)
OG (Pass Blocking)	OT (Passing Blocking)	C (Pass Blocking)
OG (Run Blocking)	OT (Run Blocking)	C (Run Blocking)
OT (Balanced)	OG (Balanced)	C (Line Captain)
OT (Passing Blocking)	OG (Pass Blocking)	C (Pass Blocking)
OT (Run Blocking)	OG (Run Blocking)	C (Run Blocking)
C (Line Captain)	OG (Balanced)	OT (Balanced)
C (Pass Blocking)	OG (Pass Blocking)	OT (Passing Blocking)
C (Run Blocking)	OG (Run Blocking)	OT (Run Blocking)
DE (Balanced)	DT (Balanced)	OLB (Run Stopper)	ILB (Run Stopper)
DE (Speed Rush)	DT (Pass Rusher)	OLB (Pass Rush)	ILB (Speed)
DE (Run Stopper)	DT (Run Stopper)	OLB (Run Stopper)	ILB (Run Stopper)
DT (Balanced)	DE (Balanced)	OLB	ILB
DT (Pass Rusher)	DE (Speed Rush)	OLB (Pass Rush)	ILB
DT (Run Stopper)	DE (Run Stopper)	OLB (Run Stopper)	ILB
DT (Nose Tackle)	DE (Balanced)	OLB	ILB
OLB (Coverage)	ILB (Coverage)	DE (Balanced)	SS Man/Zone
OLB (Pass Rush)	ILB (Speed)	DE (Speed Rush)	SS (Man Coverage)
OLB (Run Stopper)	ILB (Run Stopper)	DE (Run Stopper)	SS (Run Stopper)
OLB (Speed)	ILB (Speed)	DE (Speed Rush)	SS (Zone Coverage)
ILB (Field General)	OLB (Coverage)	SS (Run Stopper)	DE (Balanced)	DT
ILB (Speed)	OLB (Pass Rush)	SS (Run Stopper)	DE (Speed Rush)	DT
ILB (Coverage)	OLB (Coverage)	SS Man/Zone	DE (Balanced)	DT
ILB (Run Stopper)	OLB (Run Stopper)	SS (Run Stopper)	DE (Run Stopper)	DT
SS (Man Coverage)	FS (Man Coverage)	OLB (Coverage)	ILB (Coverage)	CB (Man Coverage)	DE
SS (Zone Coverage)	FS (Zone Coverage)	OLB (Coverage)	ILB (Coverage)	CB (Zone Coverage)	DE
SS (Ball Hawk)	FS (Ball Hawk)	OLB (Speed)	ILB (Speed)	CB (Ball Hawk)	DE
SS (Run Stopper)	FS (Run Stopper)	OLB (Run Stopper)	ILB (Run Stopper)	CB	DE
FS (Man Coverage)	SS (Man Coverage)	OLB (Coverage)	ILB (Coverage)	CB (Man Coverage)	DE
FS (Zone Coverage)	SS (Zone Coverage)	OLB (Coverage)	ILB (Coverage)	CB (Zone Coverage)	DE
FS (Ball Hawk)	SS (Ball Hawk)	OLB (Speed)	ILB (Speed)	CB (Ball Hawk)	DE
FS (Run Stopper)	SS (Run Stopper)	OLB (Run Stopper)	ILB (Run Stopper)	CB (Zone Coverage)	DE
CB (Man Coverage)	FS (Man Coverage)	SS (Man Coverage)	OLB	ILB
CB (Zone Coverage)	FS (Zone Coverage)	SS (Zone Coverage)	OLB	ILB
CB (Ball Hawk)	FS (Ball Hawk)	SS (Ball Hawk)	OLB	ILB
K (Power)	P (Power)	QB (Balanced)
K (Accuracy)	P (Accuracy)	QB (Balanced)
P (Power)	K (Power)	QB (Balanced)
P (Accuracy)	K (Accuracy)	QB (Balanced)

Out of Position Rules to acquire NEW Position:
A) Players that get starter snaps for a full year OOP will gain new position and are provided secondary position identifier.
B) Players that are on the bench/ST or non-starter snaps must accrue two years in OOP before gaining it as their new position. (Backup Snapcount for two years, essentially)
C) After players learn the new position, it is permanent and will follow them through their football career. (CFB to NFL)
D) No penalty will be applied AFTER the player earns their new position. For their old position, there will also be no penalty.
E) Only one additional position can be learned per player.


EXAMPLE OF THE RULES ABOVE:




This alleviates multiple things not just for the NFL Draft by introducing far more player diversity and intrigue, but also assist with new scheme mechanics and recruits that have found themselves useless other than Special Teams heroes. Scrambler QBs can finally fully convert to running backs and PROGRESS as a running back.

One thing that will need to be clarified though, is that the player that is playing OOP will NOT receive progressions to their old positional attributes UNLESS they overlap with their original position. ADDITIONALLY, if you move players around multiple positions, they will only receive progressions to the position they pass backup level snaps (roughly 20 snaps per game) equivalent in. [This is subject to change but don't expect it to change drastically]

Example for above: -
(1) a RB (receiving) will still likely hit a lot of the same progressions as them developing as a WR. A RB (Power) playing at WR will balanced out with WR progressions but will not necessarily progress as a runner aside from agility/speed progressions all skill position players get.
(2) If you play a QB (Scrambler) at WR, QB, RB, TE throughout the season, and they pass the Backup snapcount threshold for WR, they will progress as a WR only.

Some positions you may have noticed will take steeper maluses than others given the nature of the positional transition than others which is self explanatory. For now, there won't be any defensive players going to offense and vice versa. I hope this update brings excitement and variety to all the schemes and personnel decisions that impact recruiting and the new scheme update. If there's any questions at all please don't hesitate to ask!

Up next will be a Dev Diary by @Rocketcan covering some new attributes!

 

[Spoof]

@Sarge - Question regarding the move from position to another.

 

If I put a Scrambler QB in at FB, would he get a progression path to Rushing FB? Or is it only the ones listed above that work?

[Sarge]

6 hours ago, Spoof said:

@Sarge - Question regarding the move from position to another.

 

If I put a Scrambler QB in at FB, would he get a progression path to Rushing FB? Or is it only the ones listed above that work?

These positions in the charts are what are coded to my understanding. I can talk to Rocket about adding scrambler QB to FB but I don't think it's very common. QBs just don't have that kind of "build" or frame imo to play FB. We tried to work off what people more commonly see in the college/NFL level 

[Spoof]

Nah thats cool. Looks like it just won't fit. Is what it is